Comments on: Better Tomorrow 2018, A (2018) Review https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/ Asian Cinema and Martial Arts News, Reviews and Blu-ray & DVD Release Dates Sat, 30 Dec 2023 07:50:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: Sam https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-368020 Sat, 30 Dec 2023 07:50:48 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-368020 In reply to Mike Retter.

I see u

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By: Jackie Chan 5-Film Motion Assortment | DVD (Nicely Go USA) – Ykine https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-353162 Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:03:41 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-353162 […] kidnaps a younger basic so as to gather a reward.​ The movie is directed by Ding Sheng (A Higher Tomorrow 2018) and likewise stars Wang Lee Hom (China Strike […]

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By: Andrew Hernandez https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-194072 Sat, 22 Sep 2018 01:18:47 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-194072 In reply to Garrett Wong.

Oh man. Hope you didn’t pay too much to watch it.

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By: Garrett Wong https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-193888 Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:29:07 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-193888 What a disappointing movie! I was hoping for a remake as stylish (in action and in fashion) and as action-packed as the original, and while there were some action, where were the iconic overcoats?? *sigh* Wishful thinking……..
Anyway, I’m one of the rare Asians who enjoy older movies, and the original A Better Tomorrow, to me, is a classic. Ti Lung and Chow Yun Fatt – what a pair!

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By: Andrew Hernandez https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-138400 Thu, 21 Jun 2018 22:21:09 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-138400 In reply to Paul Bramhall.

Wow. That seems like an underhanded jab to Taiwan. I wonder how many Taiwanese audiences picked up on that.

It’s pretty sad to see that most people in China outside of film buffs don’t care about older films. One would think that if it’s the case, why keep playing Leslie Cheung’s song that young audiences know jack about?

If modern audiences aren’t nostalgic, why make a movie that’s going to bore them and piss off fans of the original?

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By: Paul Bramhall https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137782 Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:17:26 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137782 In reply to Andrew Hernandez.

It’s always interesting to look into the nuances filmmakers put into their movies to ensure Mainland distribution. One of the aspects I noticed here was that, compared to Ti Lung and Chow Yun Fat’s relationship which felt like they’re equals, here Wang is portrayed almost as a scruffy tag-along to Kai’s honorable gangster, who he feels indebted to.

I don’t think it was a coincidence that it gets mentioned more than once that his character is Taiwanese, with the relationship between them most likely intended as an allegory for how China perceives its relationship to Taiwan, who they view as a troublesome outlier. Regardless that their characters are gangsters, no doubt this detail played a part in getting a thumbs up from the SARFT.

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By: Paul Bramhall https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137769 Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:04:27 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137769 In reply to Eric Lim.

Hi Eric, you mean you’ve never seen our review for ‘Kung Fu Yoga’? 😛

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By: Andrew Hernandez https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137693 Thu, 21 Jun 2018 06:45:57 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137693 Oh man! You hit on almost all the points that made me so upset when I watched this. The abuse of the original theme song made me want to leave the theatre.

I don’t think the Korean version is a “great” film, but I thought it was decent, and it had more to do with Woo’s film while having its own identity like you mentioned.

I wasn’t looking forward to you disliking the movie, but I did hope you would call the film out on its glaring flaws. While I’m glad Darren Wang didn’t try to imitate Chow Yun-Fat, his character was not cool, suave, or charismatic. Just like the rest of the movie, it was a lose-lose situation.

I do want to see Saving Mr. Wu. I didn’t care for Police Story ’13 pandering to conservative Mainland ideals, but I do think Ding Sheng is a good director who succeeds with the right projects. It’s sad that ABT ’18 wasn’t one of them.

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By: Eric Lim https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137568 Thu, 21 Jun 2018 04:25:16 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137568 I’m really surprised to see a review so low on this site. You usually give 7-8 out of 10s on this site.

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By: Z Ravas https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137476 Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:45:08 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137476 In reply to Mike Retter.

I have heard this ‘disposable’ attitude towards culture is part of the reason why 1.) Hong Kong churned out so many movies during its heyday, and 2.) why so many of those movies had their film prints treated poorly (improperly stored, etc.). It’s as if film distributors and studios said, ‘if there’s going to be a new ‘Young and Dangerous’ movie out in a few months, why should I care what happens to this one?’ Unfortunately, I think it’s going to be difficult to ever get truly great hi-definition releases of our favorite Hong Kong movies for this very reason.

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By: DragonClaws https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137448 Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:14:14 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137448 In reply to Mike Retter.

I just dont think their culture looks on the past, in the same way ours does. They appear to be less nostalgic or sentimental, or maybe thats just my own distorted view?.

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By: DragonClaws https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137447 Wed, 20 Jun 2018 13:12:33 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137447 Ouch

Great review Paul, for what sounds like one dud of a movie.

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By: Jerry https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137355 Wed, 20 Jun 2018 11:11:55 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137355 a 2 is about right. Movie makes Manhunt look oscar worthy. I dug Little Big Soldier my first time watch but then I went back and watched it a few years later and it is also pretty bad. Ding Sheng is a terrible director imo. Hong Kong/China has very little talent left. I’m hoping Juno Mak’s new film is as good as it’s looking to be. Stay far away from The Trough by Nick Cheung. It looks like a bad student film.

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By: Mike Retter https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137345 Wed, 20 Jun 2018 11:03:15 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137345 … Some of it may be down to cultural cringe, in that look at a Hong Kong film from the 1990s and it may as well have been the 80s!

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By: Mike Retter https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137343 Wed, 20 Jun 2018 11:01:54 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137343 No, no, no – trust me – there is a definite cultural difference here. I cannot deliver you a PhD on this right now, but I have done some cursory research with people who actually have PhDs in film, frequent the HK film festival, friends from Hong Kong and Asian backgrounds etc. Young people in the west (not even film buffs) are certainly much more familiar with a plethora of classic films from the 80’s, 90’s and often earlier from the 1970’s. I cannot pin-point why this is, one friend with a PhD in film thinks its a more disposable culture in Hong Kong, but I cannot be sure.

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By: Paul Bramhall https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137329 Wed, 20 Jun 2018 10:46:50 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137329 In reply to Mike Retter.

Good points Mike. It’s a well trodden argument, however always one that I’ve found to be a little counterintuitive. I say that mainly because it’s usually framed in such a way to imply that the younger Asian generation specifically have little interest in pre-millennium movies, however I think that applies to the general population at large, except for (as you point out) those with a specific interest in the films of that period. The general movie watching audience in the west, especially those in their 20’s, (in my experience at least) have little to no interest in watching the blockbusters that populated multiplexes during the 80’s and 90’s, so I don’t really see how it’s any different in the west than it is in the east. There’s a reason why reboots have become such big business in Hollywood, and I’ve spoken to people myself that had no idea the likes of ‘The Equalizer’ and ‘The Magnificent Seven’ were remakes of earlier productions.

But who knows, maybe there’s an Asian equivalent website of cityonfire out there somewhere, and people are having a similar conversation about how so many westerners aren’t familiar with the classics of 70’s American cinema. 😛

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By: Mike Retter https://cityonfire.com/a-better-tomorrow-2018-review-remake-reboot-john-woo-ding-sheng/#comment-137289 Wed, 20 Jun 2018 09:56:56 +0000 http://cityonfire.com/?p=93394#comment-137289 Its really funny, according to my research, Chinese people and perhaps Asians at large prefer never to watch old movies. This doesn’t mean just 1920’s silent or 50s/70s Hollywood era but late 80’s and perhaps even 90’s. Its weird, but much suggests this to be mostly true. So apart from a few nerds in Asia and us mostly Gwailo nerds in the west, young audiences simply couldn’t care less and perhaps wouldn’t even know of the original A Better Tomorrow. And this is sad, they may not actually realise how important and extraordinary the entire cannon of 70s/80s/90s Hong Kong was as populist cinema in the world. At its best, it cannot really be beaten in terms of its genres – martial arts AND heroic bloodshed. Regarding the latter, you would have to look at behemoth productions like Terminator 2 to trump the likes of John Woo’s The Killer (1989) in terms violent artistry. Even then, its an unfair comparison. So I’m both happy and unhappy to know that yet another remake of this film is likely to be poor. Happy because the original remains rather inspired and untouchable, but unhappy because the new film will see such wide distribution it can tend to extinguish the light of the original.

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